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geowizard
02-26-2013, 10:27 AM
I discovered an Iron-Nickel deposit buried about 40 ft to the top. There's a crater about 200 feet across. There is no associated mineralization. It's a discrete deposit.

A meteorite is a "valuable mineral in place". It meets all of the other requirements of a valid discovery.

Is a meteorite locatable?

- Geowizard

Steve Herschbach
02-26-2013, 10:38 AM
Short Answer - No.


Updated Federal Policy September 2012

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2012/IM_2012-182.html


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT
Washington, DC 20240
http://www.blm.gov (http://www.blm.gov/)

September 10, 2012

In Reply Refer To:
8365, 2920, 8100 (240) P

EMS TRANSMISSION 09/12/2012
Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires: 09/30/2013

To: All Washington Office and Field Office Officials

From: Assistant Director, Renewable Resources and Planning
Subject: Collection of Meteorites on Public Land
Program Areas: Recreation, Cultural Resources, Lands and Realty, Minerals, Law Enforcement, and the National Landscape Conservation System

Purpose: This Instruction Memorandum (IM) establishes policy governing the collection of meteorites found on public lands.
Policy/Action: The policy provides guidance to managers for administering the collection of meteorites on public lands in three use categories: casual collection of small quantities without a permit; scientific and educational use by permit under the authority of the Antiquities Act; and commercial collection of meteorites through the issuance of land use permits.


Casual Collection: Meteorites may be casually collected (i.e., free and without a permit), pursuant to BLM’s regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5. In accordance with those regulations:


Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas closed by supplemental regulations;
Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and
Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

Scientific and Educational Use:
Individuals or institutions intending to collect meteorites for scientific research or educational use must obtain an Antiquities Act permit through a Bureau of Land Management (BLM) State Office, in accordance with 43 CFR 3.



Applications for an Antiquities Act permit will be reviewed by the authorized officer in the BLM State Office with jurisdiction over the Cultural Resources program.
Collection amounts allowed for scientific or educational use are specified in the permit and are not subject to the limits (ten pounds) established for casual collection.
Meteorites collected under permit must be curated in an approved repository, and must meet the requirements for curation as defined in 36 CFR 79.

Commercial Collection:


Unless otherwise prohibited by laws, regulations, land use plans or closures, meteorites may be commercially collected by individuals possessing a land use permit issued under the authority of the Federal Lands Policy and Management Act (FLPMA). Land use permits are issued by the local BLM office in accordance with the regulations in 43 CFR 2920.
The applicant must pay an application fee, a purchase price based on either a unit price or a percentage of the fair market value of the removed material, and a reclamation fee as appropriate.
The permittee must comply with all environmental laws and regulations for surface disturbing activities on public lands.
Collection amounts allowed for commercial use are specified in the permit and are not subject to the limits (ten pounds) established for casual collection.
Timeframe: Effective immediately.
Budget Impact: Limited.

Background: Meteorites are natural objects originating in outer space that survive impact with the earth’s surface. The extra-terrestrialorigin of meteorites, as well as their relative rarity,has made them highly desirable to casual collectors, commercial collectors, and scientific researchers. Previously, the BLM has not formally addressed rules regarding collection of meteorites on public lands. However, recent media attention has increased public interest in meteorites as well as confusion about the legality of and limits to casual and commercial collection. Courts have long established that meteorites belong to the owner of the surface estate. Therefore, meteorites found on public lands are part of the BLM’s surface estate, belong to the Federal Government, and must be managed as natural resources in accordance with the FLPMA of 1976.
Meteorites do not meet the definition of a mineral resource under the generalmining and mineral laws. Therefore, mining claims cannot be located for meteorites.

This policy acknowledges a long-established tradition of collecting meteorites by individual hobbyists, but also recognizes that meteorites may be of significant scientific and commercial value. The policy provides direction for managing the resource and affords managers considerable discretion in accommodating demand from several types of collectors.
Manual/Handbook Sections Affected: None.

Coordination: This policy was coordinated among the BLM’s Division of Recreation and Visitor Services; Division of Cultural, Paleontological Resources and Tribal Consultation; Division of Lands, Realty, and Cadastral Survey; Division of Solid Minerals; the National Landscape Conservation System Division; and BLM’s Office of Law Enforcement and Security.
Contact: For questions regarding application of this policy, please contact Lucia Kuizon, National Paleontologist at (202) 912-7253 or lkuizon@blm.gov, or Frank Jenks, Natural Resources Specialist with the Division of Recreation and Visitor Services at (208) 373-3993, or fjenks@blm.gov.


Signed by: Authenticated by:
Edwin L. Roberson Robert M. Williams
Assistant Director Division of IRM Governance,WO-560
Renewable Resources and Planning

1 Attachment
1 - FAQ on Meteorites on Public Lands (4 pp) (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/im_attachments/2012.Par.65264.File.dat/IM2012-182_att1.pdf)


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chickenminer
02-26-2013, 10:39 AM
You will have to argue that one with the feds Wiz.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/barstow/meteorite.html

Reno Chris
02-26-2013, 01:09 PM
Only very rarely do meteorites hit and remain in one piece while leaving a big impact crater. Most large meteorites explode prior to impact. The Canyon Diablo meteorite left a huge crater (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon_Diablo_%28meteorite%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyon_Diablo_%28meteorite%29)) and in the late 1800s a shaft was sunk and extensive work done to find the iron deposit in the bottom of the crater. Like most meteorite craters, there is no big meteorite body in the bottom of Canyon Diablo and nothing was found.
Is there any possibility that what seems to be a big magnetic body at the bottom of a crater may in fact be something else?

geowizard
02-26-2013, 02:40 PM
Steve,

It's not on fed domain.

Chris,

There's a strewn field. I will try to recover pieces for positive ID this spring.

Thanks!

- Geowizard

overtheedge
02-26-2013, 03:13 PM
If it is necessary for the continued speciman and financial support of archeologists, space scientists or museums, it is reserved for academicians. If they don't get a sample to study, it is awful hard to request more public funding.

Please mister politician, send us more money to study this arrowhead for the 20-11th time. That won't work. Well not always.

This has been an ongoing bone of contention between relic hunters and academia.

The best approach I have figured out is: personally confirm what you have, take lots of pictures and auction off the location. Have I ever done this? No. But this spring I might try with a petrified femur I know the location of.
eric

Steve Herschbach
02-26-2013, 03:18 PM
Check with DNR but I am betting the state follows the fed lead on what is and is not locatable. Do not forget Alaska is an "owner state". Which seems to mean the state owns it, and you do not!

geowizard
02-26-2013, 04:20 PM
Steve,

I'm betting with you on that. Without other direction, the state usually follows federal policy.

Chris,

I would also add; This deposit has a geophysical signature. It is a highly conductive anomaly with correlating magnetic polarity. The conductivity is "negative inphase" which is iron/nickel or magnetite. The contour lines look like it broke up just before impact with at least two or three pieces in the same vicinity.

ote,

I don't always agree with the system. But, it's the best one we have! I won't elaborate about bones. :)

- Geowizard

geowizard
02-27-2013, 06:39 AM
Boob Creek is located between Ophir and Ruby, Alaska. Boob Creek has recorded platinum production along with placer gold.

No platinum lode has ever been found. In fact, geologists have never found any ultra-mafic rocks that would produce platinum (other than one occurance at Mt. Hurst which has no platinum).

Where did the platinum come from?

Platinum rich asteroids are known to exist. Did a platinum rich asteroid enter the earth's atmospere and shower that part of Alaska?

- Geowizard

Reno Chris
02-27-2013, 03:52 PM
I have certainly heard of meteorites with PPM levels of platinum group metals, especially Iridium. However I have never heard of a meteorite made of mostly platinum group metals such that they would become a platinum placer deposit after impact. I have to admit I would view that as pretty far fetched. It would be a lot easier to explain the platinum placers as originating from an as yet undiscovered ultramafic body or by the capture and reworking of gravels from another drainage which does have ultramafic rocks. The drainage capture process is fairly common in Alaska because of the repeated periods of uplift and glaciation.

geowizard
02-27-2013, 04:57 PM
Chris,

I agree completely. The area is covered extensively with muck, and gravels covered with tundra. It makes access to bedrock almost impossible. To top it off, much of the gravels are frozen.

- Geowizard

shaftsinkerawc
02-28-2013, 02:38 PM
Welcome to the Alaskan Prospecting and Mining Scene!! Does the system you were testing in Nevada? work on frozen ground?

geowizard
02-28-2013, 05:23 PM
It works like a VLF metal detector - so, yes it works in frozen ground. The systems that use contact probes i.e. like arctic geophysics has don't do well in frozen ground.

Using VLF is best. If you freeze a nugget in an ice cube, the electromagnetic signal will not be affected by the ice. :)

- Geowizard

geowizard
03-04-2013, 12:23 PM
This is a geophysical map of the Sudbury Nickel Deposit aka Temogami Meteorite impact zone. It is the highest intensity magnetic anomaly in North America!

http://www.alaska-gold.com/temogami_magnetic_anomaly.jpg


- Geowizard

Steve Herschbach
03-04-2013, 12:31 PM
I like the idea of platinum meteorites myself!

geowizard
03-04-2013, 12:40 PM
Steve,

See my post at: http://www.akmining.com/forums/showthread.php/3482-Freelance-writer-miner-Seeking-Work-or-..... :)

- Geowizard

Steve Herschbach
03-04-2013, 01:17 PM
No, they have to be solid platinum, or I am not interested!

geowizard
03-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Steve,

If it's only 50 percent platinum, what should I do? Roll it back in the hole?

- Geowizard

Steve Herschbach
03-04-2013, 03:10 PM
Yeah, do that and cover it up. Be sure and send me GPS coordinates so I do not dig it up by accident sometime.

james a.
03-08-2013, 11:48 AM
Yeah.If you post the gps coordinates.I won`t look!

geowizard
03-11-2013, 02:26 PM
james a,

Kind of reminds me of an old joke... maybe a new joke...

I publish the GPS coordinates and go up this spring and hide in the brush...

Then after you have dug a hole down to it, hoisted it out and have it all loaded up, I step out of the brush...

James, You promised you wouldn't look!" :)

- Geowizard

james a.
03-12-2013, 08:49 AM
Aw shucks,My one eye never shut!

james a.
03-14-2013, 01:22 PM
Gewiz!
Look on todays fairbanks newsminer.com Senate promotes Alaska`s rare earth minerals3-14-13 you may have no problem digging that up!
I wonder how deep my magnometer wood look.It has one eye!